Criticism of some men is not a criticism of all. Your son is, as Dis said, very lucky to have you. All women aren’t cut out to be mothers. Mine was very abusive. But that I had a male figure in my life she could have dumped me on and took off, my childhood might have been much happier. Kudos to you, sir.
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thanks, there some of us that are just men.. trying to do the next right thing as best we can..
wow.. with all of the reviews online I had no interest in watching this. But I love Demi Moore and Margaret Qualley…. wowow.. talk about the connection with women today and ageing. and everything connected.. it was bloody brilliant! I am not sure I completely understand the ending, but I love it. Demi Moore deserves an Oscar for this!
Here I am to properly get people mad at me.
It’s not a good argument to use statistics and percentages to prove a point. Most things are not reported by men or women so the numbers are just not complete. It might be easier to prove that men are more aggressive but that doesn’t mean it’s true.
At the end of the day, people are good and evil and it doesn’t matter if you are a guy or a girl. Women are abused, men are abused. That is a fact and if we choose to hate each other instead of coming together to find better solutions then we will keep going in circles and not getting anywhere.
I will leave you with one question.
Do you think we have made any great amount of progress in stopping abuse for anyone in the last 50 years? Or have we just been blaming each other and getting no where?
(I will preface the following by saying this does not apply to all women.)
Allow me to be so bold as to enlighten you, as to the top 11, real reasons, real men, are abandoning marriage and are choosing to go their own way.
- Promiscuous/unfaithful behavior.
- no-fault Divorce.
- Over awarding of Alimony.
- Over awarding of Child Support.
- Legalized theft of men’s parental rights, & guardianship of their biological children.
- False allegations of domestic violence.
- False allegations of physical/sexual assault.
- Emotional abuse.
- Financial abuse.
- Lack of femininity.
- Misandry, which has been made socially acceptable by respectable, & civilized society as normal behavior in which to treat men, & raise boys in.
Real men. That’s hilarious. I acknowledge that toxic masculinity accounts for much of what plagues our world, but also that more and more men are redefining what masculinity looks like as well as women what femininity looks like. It looks like equality. Women are in no way obligated to look and behave in a manner that pleases men. As to false allegations of abuse, until those become anywhere near as numerous as real cases that take place, it’s a nonissue. Your list reads like a top 11 excuses incels use to explain why they can’t form relationships.
Great little movie.
This is one of my all-time favourite movies. It’s fantastic on every level, and a surprisingly rich tapestry of elements. Nic Cage displays his range with ease and believability.
raised by their fathers when family courts side with them
I raised my son without his mother, she bailed because she didn’t want to be a mom anymore, he was 6… never heard from her again, my son is now 40.. we are not biologically related either.. courts had nothing to do with it.. guess My “toxic masculinity made me more caring or some shite .. My son has a lighting company , werks in the west coast of canada in the film industry .. no violent criminals here Lol
This episode was worth it just see Larry David rock the guitar with Stevie Nicks. Hahahaha. priceless. OK i know it wasnt actually LD. But, damn he looked a lot like him.
I’m literally speechless, disturbed and very sad at what I’ve read. It’s overwhelmingly misguided and completely false. May you find peace one day.
I’m probably a lot older than most of you and I just find this whole discussion sad. I remember a time when men and women’s traditional roles complemented and supported each other. Things were not perfect back then, but the vestural hate that seems to monopolize the internet today surely is not helping matters.
I know young people seem to think they know all the answers but, maybe it’s time for them to reflect on their grandparents and great grandparent’s generations way of doing things. You might just find they knew more than you believe. - Hanoverfist
You prove my point by immediately jumping to insults ,
When modern women stop behaving as spoiled,narcissistic, unkept beasts, believing they are entitled to men’s resources, take responsibility, & accountability for their own actions, & behavior, & have something of value (besides the ability to give birth) with which to offer real men in exchange for a loving, respectful companionship, perhaps then,
men may return to their roles as head of household, providers, & protectors.
Until then,you are on your own, & deserve nothing, except that which you, yourself have not earned alone by your own measure of merit.
Guess who’s filing for divorce nowadays? It’s women, cuz they neither want nor need men like you.
Here I am to properly get people mad at me.
It’s not a good argument to use statistics and percentages to prove a point. Most things are not reported by men or women so the numbers are just not complete. It might be easier to prove that men are more aggressive but that doesn’t mean it’s true.
At the end of the day, people are good and evil and it doesn’t matter if you are a guy or a girl. Women are abused, men are abused. That is a fact and if we choose to hate each other instead of coming together to find better solutions then we will keep going in circles and not getting anywhere.
I will leave you with one question.
Do you think we have made any great amount of progress in stopping abuse for anyone in the last 50 years? Or have we just been blaming each other and getting no where?
Not all statistics can be dismissed out of hand. Murders are one of them, and almost 35% where the victim is female are committed by an intimate partner. It seems safe to assume that the vast majority of those are committed by men. Women are more likely to be murdered by their partner, or ex, than any other category. To put that into perspective, murders of men in that same category sits at a mere 6%, and I’d be curious as to how many of those were committed by men.
All crimes are underreported, but by using statistical models you can paint a fairly accurate picture of whether crime rates are increasing or decreasing, and since the outbreak of covid violence against women has seen a significant increase. Historically, the numbers are down, but that didn’t happen in a vacuum. Violence against women is no longer socially acceptable or ignored. We got there by acknowledging that it happens, that it is wrong, and by talking openly about it. That’s how we continue to make the world a safer place for women. I haven’t finished this series yet, but they do seem to be making an effort to present different points of view in a way that might spark honest conversations.
I raised my son without his mother, she bailed because she didn’t want to be a mom anymore, he was 6… never heard from her again, my son is now 40.. we are not biologically related either.. courts had nothing to do with it.. guess My “toxic masculinity made me more caring or some shite .. My son has a lighting company , werks in the west coast of canada in the film industry .. no violent criminals here Lol
You don’t sound toxic at all. You sound like you did everything right. I reckon your son was lucky to have a Dad like you. But this show Curfew, and the discussion here is about misogyny aka toxic masculinity, and the consequences thereof.
My husband was a good man too, worth his weight in gold, and he liked my cooking so lots of gold there lols ;) I count myself a lucky woman to have married the finest man I ever met. Sadly, not many can say the same. Populism seems to have made them even more rare. I just wish males, in a time of populism would not be susceptible to fraudulent “strong men” selling snake oil and realize they have the strength within themselves and don’t need to buy a cheap fraud’s knockoff. This is my global wish.
the comments on here remind me of grade school insults and criticisms of certain groups of people if one doesnt have the same view there are people who resort to name calling, rather juvenile imo
why would a single mother want an evil person to raise her child.
The most intelligent women don’t get married and certainly don’t give birth. Polls show that they’re also happier than other women.
I raised my son without his mother, she bailed because she didn’t want to be a mom anymore, he was 6… never heard from her again, my son is now 40.. we are not biologically related either.. courts had nothing to do with it.. guess My “toxic masculinity made me more caring or some shite .. My son has a lighting company , werks in the west coast of canada in the film industry .. no violent criminals here Lol
Criticism of some men is not a criticism of all. Your son is, as Dis said, very lucky to have you. All women aren’t cut out to be mothers. Mine was very abusive. But that I had a male figure in my life she could have dumped me on and took off, my childhood might have been much happier. Kudos to you, sir.
You prove my point by immediately jumping to insults ,
When modern women stop behaving as spoiled,narcissistic, unkept beasts, believing they are entitled to men’s resources, take responsibility, & accountability for their own actions, & behavior, & have something of value (besides the ability to give birth) with which to offer real men in exchange for a loving, respectful companionship, perhaps then,
men may return to their roles as head of household, providers, & protectors.
Until then,you are on your own, & deserve nothing, except that which you, yourself have not earned alone by your own measure of merit.
When weak minded males stop seeking “strong men” who behave like spoiled, narcissistic, unkept beasts, believing they are entitled to everything, never take responsibility, & accountability for their own actions, & behavior, then maybe their situations will improve. Until then, things will go rough for them. Because no one wants to be around that negativity, not man or woman… nor dog or cat. Cause no one wants to be around that type of guy. They will end up on their own, deserving nothing while regaling their incel buddies with tales about their made up girlfriend… from Canada… of course. We’ve heard it all before for almost a decade now. It’s time to move on and not wallow in backward twisted history. It is what it is.
Everyone loves a real man. I know I do. They are worth their weight in gold and just as rare to find. But the sort of guy these fake “strong men” are pumping out ain’t it. Not even close.
Probably don’t want to watch news of any type then. Considering that men are responsible for over 89 percent of all crimes and an even higher percent of violent crimes, this might not be a bad idea.
I hear that. All the ruination in the world is because of bad weak males. Just have to look around at what’s happening in the world currently, to see that. And to top it off, it’s not like men can hold their brains together, in a time of Populism. They turn weak and seek a “strong man. In a time of populism it seems like men are “easily led and much too scared to follow,” as Elvis Costello would say.
But the show is not for me. I got bored less then 20 minutes in when the argument for the curfew was because violent men crave sex. Violent men may seek power over those they feel are weaker, over their own insecurities. But it’s a power struggle they fail at, and the need to overpower in order to feel substantial. They may get a hard on feeling the power surge as they attack women, but it doesn’t solve their troubles. The power struggle remains. And loads of folks get hurt.
Im sorry, but no you did not say the victims/survivors blame themselves. I’m not here to argue. Best to you and yours.
Okay but what you said was that I was inaccurate but you really seem to be saying that I just didn’t give every detail. I did think about adding that to what I wrote but I have found that less is more. People will tear apart details and ignore the idea and I wanted to avoid that trap.
Not all statistics can be dismissed out of hand. Murders are one of them, and almost 35% where the victim is female are committed by an intimate partner. It seems safe to assume that the vast majority of those are committed by men. Women are more likely to be murdered by their partner, or ex, than any other category. To put that into perspective, murders of men in that same category sits at a mere 6%, and I’d be curious as to how many of those were committed by men.
All crimes are underreported, but by using statistical models you can paint a fairly accurate picture of whether crime rates are increasing or decreasing, and since the outbreak of covid violence against women has seen a significant increase. Historically, the numbers are down, but that didn’t happen in a vacuum. Violence against women is no longer socially acceptable or ignored. We got there by acknowledging that it happens, that it is wrong, and by talking openly about it. That’s how we continue to make the world a safer place for women. I haven’t finished this series yet, but they do seem to be making an effort to present different points of view in a way that might spark honest conversations.
I think by using statistical models you can paint any picture you want to and it’s accuracy can be reduced to subjective truths and perspectives.
You don’t sound toxic at all. You sound like you did everything right. I reckon your son was lucky to have a Dad like you. But this show Curfew, and the discussion here is about misogyny aka toxic masculinity, and the consequences thereof.
My husband was a good man too, worth his weight in gold, and he liked my cooking so lots of gold there lols ;) I count myself a lucky woman to have married the finest man I ever met. Sadly, not many can say the same. Populism seems to have made them even more rare. I just wish males, in a time of populism would not be susceptible to fraudulent “strong men” selling snake oil and realize they have the strength within themselves and don’t need to buy a cheap fraud’s knockoff. This is my global wish.
The main story just seems to be pointless suffering. So a couple eps ago that lady fell out the lighthouse then winds up on a road in the “real world”. Does that prove that death there is not a real death but a way to go to the other side? Then she winds up there again with Victor’s dad? Looking forward to his reunion with Victor.
Aahhhkkk! Oh my god, nooooo! This episode was flipping full to the water line with horror and mayhem and horrible choices that have a knock on effect! Wow, how lucky are we that we can watch all this?? Thanks linkers! 🙏
i gotta say as far as never ending stories go , this one is pretty dang good.. The acting is very good… it does draw you in, which is very cool.. i am not a big horror fan . This one I do enjoy .. in a what are they goona throw at em next kinda way.. lol
(I will preface the following by saying this does not apply to all women.)
Allow me to be so bold as to enlighten you, as to the top 11, real reasons, real men, are abandoning marriage and are choosing to go their own way.
- Promiscuous/unfaithful behavior.
- no-fault Divorce.
- Over awarding of Alimony.
- Over awarding of Child Support.
- Legalized theft of men’s parental rights, & guardianship of their biological children.
- False allegations of domestic violence.
- False allegations of physical/sexual assault.
- Emotional abuse.
- Financial abuse.
- Lack of femininity.
- Misandry, which has been made socially acceptable by respectable, & civilized society as normal behavior in which to treat men, & raise boys in.
Oh young man, let me take you by the ear and school you in her(story). In the U.S. we became a brand new country in 1776. It took another 124 years for a law to be passed in all U.S. states that allows single white and black women the right to own property or profit from a business without a husband or male guardian in control. It was 1974 before married women were allowed a line of credit without the signature of a husband or male guardian. Women were not allowed to vote until 1920. And it wasn’t until 1900’s that children were no longer viewed as property in divorce proceedings.
Grasshopper already covered #’s 6,7,8 and 10.
I only have personal experience of the alimony and child surport you seem to have issue with. My father abandoned my mother and five children. (Three of which were biologically his.) Eventually mother was awarded child support of $50 a month for three children… As for alimony, historically it was nigh on impossible for a woman to enter the workplace when the only skills she had were cooking and cleaning so how in hell was she supposed to support her children??? In the 1960’s when women found employment they earned about 60 cents for every dollar men earned. Even today, women still haven’t closed that wage gap, earning only about 84% of what men earn.
I don’t know about misandry, I personally would agree with mistrust though.
Social acceptance is fluid, the world changes, perspectives alter and we grow. What was “normal” 200 years ago isn’t relavant in today’s society.
These episodes are now getting full on. The brakes are off and the horror is on full-time. Awesome to watch!
Interesting, but not accurate. Most victims/survivors of abuse blame themselves. That’s the largest reason behind not reporting or waiting a very long time to do so.
Is that not what I said?
“Most things are not reported by men or women”
I don’t care who is right or who is to blame but I do care about what is right and making things change. What are you here for?
Well if there weren’t so many absent or deadbeat fathers it may be better. Funny though, those same women also raise girls who don’t become monsters. Nice try though.
(I will preface the following by saying this does not apply to all women.)
Allow me to be so bold as to enlighten you, as to the top 11, real reasons, real men, are abandoning marriage and are choosing to go their own way.
- Promiscuous/unfaithful behavior.
- no-fault Divorce.
- Over awarding of Alimony.
- Over awarding of Child Support.
- Legalized theft of men’s parental rights, & guardianship of their biological children.
- False allegations of domestic violence.
- False allegations of physical/sexual assault.
- Emotional abuse.
- Financial abuse.
- Lack of femininity.
- Misandry, which has been made socially acceptable by respectable, & civilized society as normal behavior in which to treat men, & raise boys in.
Can’t wait to watch a show about how evil I am.
What I don’t understand is why you would take this personally. Absolutely no one is saying all men are bad. If you had bothered to watch the show, you would have seen that even in this entirely unlikely premise they clearly state that the abuse is committed by a minority of men, just as in real life. Rape and violence against women are very real issues that need to be addressed. By getting unjustifiably defensive, you are attempting to shut down any needed discussion that would seek to find answers to an issue that has plagued our society for our entire history.
sooo… probably not fair and balanced? :)
I would imagine Mr. D’souza thinks so. But even if he doesn’t, he knows first-hand that loyalty is rewarded. Honor among thieves and all that.
I’m literally speechless, disturbed and very sad at what I’ve read. It’s overwhelmingly misguided and completely false. May you find peace one day.
I don’t think he’s referring to me, but rather to the comment that was removed and made by someone else. After reading his response though where he calls modern women unkept beasts, I have to admit that I’m more than tempted to hurl a few juicy insults his way, but I’ll refrain. lol
A Film By D’souza Media LLC.
From Wikipedia:
“Dinesh Joseph D’Souza (/dɪˈnɛʃ dəˈsuːzə/; born April 25, 1961) is an American right-wing[1][2][3] political commentator, conspiracy theorist, author, filmmaker and convicted felon who received a Presidential pardon by Donald Trump for his crimes.[4][5][6][23] He has made several financially successful films,[24] and written over a dozen books, several of them New York Times best-sellers.[25][26] “
So, ‘High Praise’ from the ‘Pardoned’, no doubt.
I don’t think he’s referring to me, but rather to the comment that was removed and made by someone else. After reading his response though where he calls modern women unkept beasts, I have to admit that I’m more than tempted to hurl a few juicy insults his way, but I’ll refrain. lol
Ah, gotcha! 😉 I will edit that bit out, but I stand by the remainder. It’s just so inappropriately angry and aggressive, and fails on every level to acknowledge that abuse actually exists.
You prove my point by immediately jumping to insults ,
When modern women stop behaving as spoiled,narcissistic, unkept beasts, believing they are entitled to men’s resources, take responsibility, & accountability for their own actions, & behavior, & have something of value (besides the ability to give birth) with which to offer real men in exchange for a loving, respectful companionship, perhaps then,
men may return to their roles as head of household, providers, & protectors.
Until then,you are on your own, & deserve nothing, except that which you, yourself have not earned alone by your own measure of merit.
sooo… probably not fair and balanced? :)
Keep in mind, this is the same guy that brought us ‘2000 mules’, in case you want to gauge expectations of this next offering.
Grasshopper I agree with your comments about the series. But the series itself turned me off not 20 minutes in when the point was posited that men commit crimes against women for sex aka desire. It’s about power and the need to overpower, through sexual abuse. I did watch the full episode but I found the dialogue inaccurate and a bit soft so not sure if I will return to it.
I’m not a rapist, but I am a student of psychology and I imagine it’s a bit of both. Men that can’t get laid can develop a hated for women and blame them for their own inadequacies or failures. So yes, they want to control and punish them, but they also want to get laid. Granted, that’s not all cases and there are far too many people out there that feel powerless in their own lives and feel the need to gain a misguided sense of power by abusing others. I do think that legalized, well regulated prostitution could reduce the number of rapes.
What almost put me off the show was the opening sequence, where they seemed to be blaming women by showing them teasing and taunting the men on lockdown. I do think there are women that need to be aware of how their behavior might put them at risk, but that in no way justifies any violence against them. I stuck with it though and as I said, I’m fairly impressed that it isn’t just a singular point of view. Where they are going with all this is still a mystery. It appears to be that it’s all kind of messy and complicated, like everything humans touch.
You prove my point by immediately jumping to insults ,
When modern women stop behaving as spoiled,narcissistic, unkept beasts, believing they are entitled to men’s resources, take responsibility, & accountability for their own actions, & behavior, & have something of value (besides the ability to give birth) with which to offer real men in exchange for a loving, respectful companionship, perhaps then,
men may return to their roles as head of household, providers, & protectors.
Until then,you are on your own, & deserve nothing, except that which you, yourself have not earned alone by your own measure of merit.
I’m literally speechless, disturbed and very sad at what I’ve read. It’s overwhelmingly misguided and completely false. May you find peace one day.
A Film By D’souza Media LLC.
From Wikipedia:
“Dinesh Joseph D’Souza (/dɪˈnɛʃ dəˈsuːzə/; born April 25, 1961) is an American right-wing[1][2][3] political commentator, conspiracy theorist, author, filmmaker and convicted felon who received a Presidential pardon by Donald Trump for his crimes.[4][5][6][23] He has made several financially successful films,[24] and written over a dozen books, several of them New York Times best-sellers.[25][26] “
So, ‘High Praise’ from the ‘Pardoned’, no doubt.
That was really cool.
Most movies nowadays would have ended a good bit earlier, at any of 5-6 different climatic points, starting around the final 25-30 minute mark, but this one just kept tossing new surprises out, one big splash after another. Impressive.
Ready for the sequel! (heh heh)